eh jab for the people that dont know eric like berger.then u lettum learn the hard way.

MMABIZ wrote:
Good Job Henry, but I wanted to just offer my opinion on this subject. Eric Edwards should be considered one of Hawaii's top heavyweights. Terrence Taanoa is not 3-1 unless he fought as a PRO against Paea Paongo. Where he actually got TKO'd. Ive watched Terrence fight, no disrepect intended at all, but I dont think hes ready to step up to be a champion, he has some more training to do, then maybe he will be able to compete against some of the best. He is 2-2, not 3-1 just to clear the air on this.

Another opinion, why should Paea Paongo fight Eric Edwards? what is this going to do for him? He just lost the title shot, you guys dont really think hes even close to contention again do you. Hes a banger, thats for sure, but he just couldnt pull off the W. Even if he beats Eric, doesnt mean hes ready for the title shot again.

So heres what I think should happen. Eric Edwards should fight Terrance Taanoa just to see who is in contention for the belt.

Now for the PRO or AMMY, on July 1, 2009 Hawaii tried to regulate pro fighters by requiring them to register as a professional fighter. According to Hawaii law, you are not considered a professional fighter unless you are registered. Real simple explanation.

So heres the Million Dollar Question. Can anyone prove that Sale Sproat, (Destiny's AMMY Champion) who is listed on SHERDOG with a record of 1-0 received compensation from any of his fights. Or for this matter, Eric Edwards received compensation for his 2 fights listed on SHERDOG? Or can anyone prove that the promoter paid these fighters?

Probably not. Its not even worth the arguments that everyone is making. If he says he amateur, we just have to beleive it until he is a registered professional like, for instance Brandon Visher.
MMABIZ- Thank you for the simple clarification on this pro/ammy issue. A lot of people are confused about this issue and just the word "pro" has conjured up differing interpretations. Like I said earlier, Sherdog is not the most accurate website to seek info.

I agree with you 100% that Eric Edwards should be considered one of Hawaii's top heavyweights. And I'm sure this discussion thread has lit the fire that will produce a volatile explosion when he gets into the ring/cage in the future. And when that happens, I'll make sure to be sitting up front and center enjoying the destruction!

Wow,I really don't kno wea to start.wasn't gonna touch this one,I was gonna wait till edwards finished berger and then come on and shoot my opinions to the topic.but dis thread has been gettin ridiculous.the more guys who talk negative about edwards,the more I am interested in seein this boy get down again and see why the hate is soo strong.I think he is a nice guy and heard a lot of good things from high people in the sport and don't kno why they are downin this kid edwards.I mean nobody had anything to say about the title or about berger or the guys who's deserving.and then edwards wants to compete for it and the title becomes sooo important that edwards shouldn't get the shot.gotta be kiddin me right??we got soo much talk of who or why or the reason edwards shouldn't fight for the title.did some research and I got a rundown of the names mentioned so far and the opinions on some of the names.

I guess first off,why the heck is team tanoa(scumit and up and coming)askin for the fight sooo bad.really terrance???I mean do you think if edwards wins the title,you won't get ur shot next.I'm sure if you think you deserve it more and beat berger,that edwards won't come knockin on your door.lmao...get a grip.your chin is actually kinda soft for a poly.and do you really feel like your performances were championship caliber outings???you can pull my leg,but don't yank dat fawka off.train hard cuz I want u to show us what ur about.if you do fight edwards,please last longer than ur stroll to the cage,and let me kno how many lightbulbs are on the ceiling that night.lmao....

Now,speak the truth...why the hate maxed out.cuz u want the reconition for somethin.cmon funny guy,its a new day.I trained wit u guys b4 and thought u were more professional than that.but id like to see edwards go far.I think this kid understands that resume means more in this game than the hometown hype.I'm sure most of the top ten will still be in hawaii years from now tryin to get on cards.

Now for the mysterious top 10 heavies.not a hater jus statin opinions.sorry if it gets under the skin.but I had a few talks with guys and here's what we came up with.
1.Scott junk-ok he has made it to ufc and had the worst luck with injuries.but his last performance,the first two exchanges were nice and then windmill city.are you serious???and then lettin him drag u around the cage while you were huggin his ankle like pop warner football.way to rep the hi.
2.Lolohea-only time will tell.cuz I really feel he will be exposed by johnson in strikeforce.he has always faught green heavies.well like I said only time will tell.
3.Doug hiu-sorry buddy,but if inderstand the truth right,that knee is gonna give you problems.he hasn't competed in about a year and a half.so is ur name even valid douggles????lol...
4.analu brash-haven't heard much about him since ron waterman came to hawaii to take his arm home.he did have a showin in the elite xc.but it was only to get his ass busted by shane del-rosario real quik.I kno he stopped juicin after that,but I seen a clip with him trainin and he has to be atleast 350 right now.even makin bear smith look like a 205er.
5.kaeo linkee-I don't even understand this one,he gave hiu a hard time and he's in.even tho he hasn't fought in about a year and a half.
6.the great tafa samuela-1 and 1 and quit on his team against lolo.he is has gotten a whole lot attention for nothing.why cuz he trains with niko.so he fought vili and scored and armbar while both were gassed the hell out.ohh yea,that's top 10 material.
7.vili-I'm sorry but didn't he fight that guy t-bone(first timer)at strickly bangers and got a shut eye and a war.he had vili in all kinds of trouble and rocked him a few times too.

I think that buger,edwards,pongo and a few other heavies will help the future of this top 10 and bring back the big boiz bang sessions.yes,terrence you can come too.I'm sorry if I offended anyone but I had to get my opinion in.the fighters in the top 10 mentioned from me are all good fighters,jus don't see great in the same sentence.in fact,I believe that this topic is edwards and berger and the destiny title,wanna see it goin down.

Aloha,and have a great day hawaii.

FightDream wrote:

I guess first off,why the heck is team tanoa(scumit and up and coming)askin for the fight sooo bad.really terrance???I mean do you think if edwards wins the title,you won't get ur shot next.I'm sure if you think you deserve it more and beat berger,that edwards won't come knockin on your door.lmao...get a grip.your chin is actually kinda soft for a poly.and do you really feel like your performances were championship caliber outings???you can pull my leg,but don't yank dat fawka off.train hard cuz I want u to show us what ur about.if you do fight edwards,please last longer than ur stroll to the cage,and let me kno how many lightbulbs are on the ceiling that night.lmao....


i guess my response is why does edwards deserve the fight so bad and who has he fought in mma or destiny for that matter to deserve a shot at the destiny belt. you think u can step into the ring with ali just cus u can box? he scared to fight paongo and now looks like he scared to fight terry makin excuses..

taanoa and paongo have put in their dues to ammy mma and destiny and for that reason they should get a shot at berger before edwards, who has not proved himself on the mma circuit.. look up edwards MMA record and compare it to Terrys and paongos and let me know if by that account he is more worthy than these 2..

And fightdream u got a lot nerve and strong words about terry! u lucky hes a humble guy..even then i bet u still sked to tell those things to his face

upandcoming wrote:
FightDream wrote:

I guess first off,why the heck is team tanoa(scumit and up and coming)askin for the fight sooo bad.really terrance???I mean do you think if edwards wins the title,you won't get ur shot next.I'm sure if you think you deserve it more and beat berger,that edwards won't come knockin on your door.lmao...get a grip.your chin is actually kinda soft for a poly.and do you really feel like your performances were championship caliber outings???you can pull my leg,but don't yank dat fawka off.train hard cuz I want u to show us what ur about.if you do fight edwards,please last longer than ur stroll to the cage,and let me kno how many lightbulbs are on the ceiling that night.lmao....


i guess my response is why does edwards deserve the fight so bad and who has he fought in mma or destiny for that matter to deserve a shot at the destiny belt. you think u can step into the ring with ali just cus u can box? he scared to fight paongo and now looks like he scared to fight terry makin excuses..

taanoa and paongo have put in their dues to ammy mma and destiny and for that reason they should get a shot at berger before edwards, who has not proved himself on the mma circuit.. look up edwards MMA record and compare it to Terrys and paongos and let me know if by that account he is more worthy than these 2..

And fightdream u got a lot nerve and strong words about terry! u lucky hes a humble guy..even then i bet u still sked to tell those things to his face

This one is a TROLL...same person with different screen names...and I will EXPOSE it real soon!

brassknuckles wrote:

This one is a TROLL...same person with different screen names...and I will EXPOSE it real soon!

i have one other screen name and i havent used that account in a while for obvious reasons (if u really know who i am)

either way it doesnt matter u still havent answered any of the questions big boy

upandcoming wrote:
brassknuckles wrote:

This one is a TROLL...same person with different screen names...and I will EXPOSE it real soon!

i have one other screen name and i havent used that account in a while for obvious reasons (if u really know who i am)

either way it doesnt matter u still havent answered any of the questions big boy

OK, so now you're really confused about who you're responding to. LOL!

So to humor you, I'll be more than happy to answer the questions you posted:
i guess my response is why does edwards deserve the fight so bad and who has he fought in mma or destiny for that matter to deserve a shot at the destiny belt. you think u can step into the ring with ali just cus u can box? he scared to fight paongo and now looks like he scared to fight terry makin excuses..Eric Edwards isn't scared to jump in the ring/cage with anyone and that has been proven. Does competing in Hawaii now lock a fighter in only certain promotions? C'mon, give me a break. Without the availability of fighters who would be willing to fight at any available event some weight classes would be skimmed. Bottom line is Edwards wants a match with Berger and you and other haters blow a fuse. Is Taanoa a good match up? I don't think so...too easy with a Gumby chin.
taanoa and paongo have put in their dues to ammy mma and destiny and for that reason they should get a shot at berger before edwards, who has not proved himself on the mma circuit.. look up edwards MMA record and compare it to Terrys and paongos and let me know if by that account he is more worthy than these 2..
Umm excuse me, but Edwards recently competing in XMA, kickboxing, and boxing doesn't mean anything other than that is the type of bouts that were offered to him and he took them when other fighters wouldn't and walked away with titles. So in essence what you're saying is that the promotions that include these types of events are not part of MMA in Hawaii? Then why have them and why do MMA fams and fighters participate and attend?? As far as records go, your justification is weak. But, hey, good call buddy...let the future opponent think he's a easy walk and then watch him let loose, that makes for a match worth seeing. I think what you can't accept is that he had the balls to speak directly to bergermeister and ask him for a match.
And fightdream u got a lot nerve and strong words about terry! u lucky hes a humble guy..even then i bet u still sked to tell those things to his face
Although I can't speak for fightdream I can say that aren't you doing the same thing by not telling Edwards directly to his face??? The shoe fits you now huh Cinderella? Don't you think that as much as you hype Taanoa, there are others who will do the same for Edwards? This bullshit is pretty much played out yet you continue to keep it going. As we all know, talk is cheap on this forum. But I still got my wooden nickel to throw in the pot every once in a while. Life is too short...let the promoters do their thing (hopefully it's not underhanded), and save your energy to wave them pompoms come fight day.

brassknuckles: i never really disagree with u, this being the first time publicly..for the most part u make valid points but this is where ur logic is flawed..

even if u think terry doesnt deserve a shot at the belt u have no right to bad mouth him and call him a gumby chin , i thought u if anybody was above that, we are supposed to build up fighters not bring them down (constructive criticism is the key)..

I never attacked eric i just said what i thought would be good matchups for him as a warmup in mma for berger..nobody said the things hes done till now don't mean anything (why else would he get the mic after bergers fight and why else would we be talking about their match up now) ) i asked if he was scared because since ppl have been suggesting he fight terry and paea he hasnt shown up in the convo..

obviously a lot of ppl don't think terry is ready for the spotlight, all i have to say is we will see and i hope he shows all of u wrong

..it is true that the heavys are a very thin division (no pun intended) and they should not be strangleholded by the promotions they fight in..by all means eric has every right to fight for the destiny belt but why should his want take away from others who have put in their dues?

u guys think terry is a bum and paea beat him so let eric fight paea in maui, paea v. edwards would be fireworks and i think a good hype for edwards v. berger

paea was #1 contender for the belt before berger choked it out of him, how is eric automatically above him for a shot at the title?

Fight Dream wrote, "Now,speak the truth...why the hate maxed out.cuz u want the reconition for somethin.cmon funny guy,its a new day.I trained wit u guys b4 and thought u were more professional than that.but id like to see edwards go far.I think this kid understands that resume means more in this game than the hometown hype.I'm sure most of the top ten will still be in hawaii years from now tryin to get on cards."

I don't understand what you mean by this fight dream, can you help to clarify your statement? Whose trained with you guys before? My gym is in Kaaawa, and I doubt you've been to my gym. Are you saying you've trained at MMAD with the heavy's there?

upandcoming- Bottom line to all of this shenanigans is that too much inaccurate info has been put out and it seems like its a futile effort to keep bringing it up regarding Edwards, Taanoa, Berger, and whoever else was named in the mix. The whole deal erupted because Edwards challenged Berger to a match in view of everyone at the fights. It was his decision and Berger accepted by saying "he'll fight anyone." Game over.

Then pros and ammy arguments. For what? Hawaii does not have a sanctioning committee and fighters are not sanctioned or required to be registered as pros as of yet.

My comment on Taanoa was to reinforce the truth that he had been dropped when "someone" stated that he had never been dropped. And I know I'm not the only who knows this (go back to the earlier postings). You know that in my postings on this website I try to stay away from negatory comments. I know from your postings that you 100% support Taanoa and that is great. I just feel that he is not as well-rounded a gamer. I personally believe that Edwards is a good, skilled contender in his weight division and that has earned my support. I noticed that he replied once in this thread and it appears that he probably recognized shit talk and bullshit and doesn't want to waste his time on this.

Edwards fighting Paea will prove nothing IMO. Paea just came off a loss, I say let the boy recoup and get back into positive focus. And if you are a fighter, you know exactly what I mean. With that said, if you are a fighter, then you should know that Edwards has accomplished a lot in and out of the state prior to the XMA, kickboxing, and boxing bouts locally when he came back to the island. I know this kid isn't scared in competing. For all the "bad mouthing" as you put it, well if someone was to read all of the posts in this thread it discloses who bad mouths and I will leave that as said. Constructive critisicm is the key as you said, but has all of these postings been that? Nope.

My reply to you is not meant to be offensive and certainly has not been said to be disrespectful.

Oops, my bad...what I meant to say was "Hawaii does not have a sanctioning committee who all out enforces and requires fighters to be sanctioned or required to be registered as ammys or pros as of yet." Sorry but hard to type and respond here while at work

Oops, my bad...what I meant to say was "Hawaii does not have a sanctioning committee who all out enforces and requires fighters to be sanctioned or required to be registered as ammys or pros as of yet." Sorry but hard to type and respond here while at work